Why don’t Aussie girls date Asian men?

because he snagged a white woman
Got your attention? The title is taken from Sam de Brito’s post on his SMH blog “All Men Are Liars“.
With such a provocative title, his post was bound to get a load of comments. At last count, there were 425, mostly from Asian males and Anglo females as expected. It took me an hour to wade through the first 300 or so. If you want to go and read the post and the comments first, go ahead. We’ll wait for you.
The rest of you, follow me …
Let’s get a few facts out of the way to set the mood right for this post:
- Yes, I know Asian-Australians are “Aussies” too but in this context, it will mean its traditional connotation of white Anglo-Saxons. And Asian will mean “East Asian” or yellow-skinned Asians, and yes I know Asia is a big place with many different-coloured people.
- I’ve never dated an Aussie girl but I would like to. Having said that, I don’t resent the fact that it’s harder for me as an Asian guy to date a white girl, than it is for an Asian girl to date a white man.
- And generally, I don’t “aim” for Aussie, Asian or whatever. I do aim for a nice and caring person. Date the person, not the race right?
To answer the question in the title, I will explain it from my point of view. To me, there are two big aspects as to why you wouldn’t see that many Asian male and Aussie female pairings: cultural, and physical.
Cultural
As a Chinese person, I am very family-centric. My family will always come first before anyone else. This thinking guides a lot of my behaviour which some Aussies probably wouldn’t understand. And when there’s no cultural connection, it’s that much harder to make an emotional connection.
However being family-centric is also a reason why I get along with Italians and Greeks, and to a certain extent, the Irish famously. In a way, our families behave very much the same. Unfortunately, all the nice Italian/Greek/Irish girls that I’ve met were never available.
In some of the comments, Anglo girls bemoan that they would like to date an Asian guy but they never get approached by them. Again, this is a cultural thing. Aussie men are more gung-ho and more willing to stick their neck out in a bar or club situation. Make a fool of yourself? Who cares!? However, Asian men don’t want to “lose face”.
Most times I don’t approach a strange girl (any girl, not just Aussies) unless I already know her and there’s a spark. This commenter echoed my sentiments.
I’m a Korean and my girlfriend is Anglo. I would absolutely approach white girls if I got to know one in a work/educational/recreational environment, but to be honest I probably wouldn’t try to pick one up in a bar scene where I would be entering the fray with no idea what she was like, and vice versa.
Why? Well I guess due to the rarity of mixed race couples where the male is Asian and the girl is Anglo, I’ve started to assume that white girls wouldn’t be interested in me, and would bar me from the get go. As I said, if I got to know a white girl first in one of the aforementioned settings and I thought there was a bit of a spark, nothing would stop me from having a go, but I wouldn’t approach one at random in a pub.
Tofuloaf at October 17, 2006 10:40 AM
Physical
All women would like their men taller and bigger. Asian men are generally smaller and shorter, sometimes too small or too short for a typical Aussie girl. I’m 5’4″ (164cm) and 60kgs. Therefore, the pool of white women for me to potentially date is that much more limited.
No point crying about it, it’s reality. Just like how most men would prefer a woman with a curvy body, there’s nothing wrong with having physical preferences.
In the comments, there are Anglo women who proclaim that they prefer Caucasian, rather than Asian features in a man. This is the same for Asian women who’d date Anglo men exclusively. Again, it’s a preference rather than a racial thing.
There was also the obligatory mention of penis sizes in the comments. Yes we are smaller, but we can still rock the boat quite well thank you very much.
Conclusion
In general it is true that the majority of Aussie women would date within their own cultural background, but that is true for people of all other cultures in this country. One tends to stick with what one knows and feels comfortable with.

in “The Dragon”
However there are many exceptions like the sons of Bing Lee of the electronics chain in NSW, and prominent Sydney neurosurgeon Charlie Teo. In my family alone, there is one male cousin who’s only ever dated white girls, and another about to marry one.
Personally I don’t think of it along racial or cultural terms at all. It’s all highly superficial and preference-based anyway. Even if the Asian guy is as ocker as they come, that doesn’t necessarily make it easier for him to snag an Aussie girl if she prefers a white fella physically.
So no, I don’t stress too much over how come I don’t get to date a white girl. Instead, I stress over how come I don’t get to date a girl, any girl at all!
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Kudos to the dude that blogged this.
Since 2006 and comments are still flowing in? What a champ.
Anyway, I’m sure lots of people can relate to this article especially in the 21st century.
I’m an Australian born Asian, but I’m barely Asian at all – Slim but very toned and muscular, extremely sport, not a nerd – hate math but I’m in the top English class haha – I don’t limit myself to the Asian cuisine although I love it and I have quite big eyes.
Personally, I’ve had a white girl attracted to me a while ago, but didn’t get the chance (or even the guts) to talk to her because she moved out. It just seems so hard to find any white girls interested in Asians, or maybe it’s just me because I’m shy and timid…
See that’s the thing, the majority of Asians are shy, but this goes hand in hand with their respect and love. I’m stereotyping here, but white guys treat their girls like a simple asset, or something they show off, whereas Asians take love seriously, and love their girlfriends with all their emotions.
Asians are so underrated and they’re the target of satire in the media, and that pisses me off.
I’m sure I could start a relationship with a white girl because I’ve been given that bright smile or that wink from a white chick many times… it’s just that I’m way too damn shy, and that irritates me. I guess I still have time tho, I’m only 16.
But a big message to all you white girls out there – Seriously, go try out an Asian, they usually create long lasting and loving relationships NOT TO MENTION, the gorgeous, gorgeous children that are made from an Interracial relationship, take for example – Misa Campo or Leah Dizion. They’re HOT.
God bless for reading my whole post and keep these comments rolling!
You sound like a babe and you should forget about being shy and just GO FOR IT!! Life is short and the worst thing that can happen is they can say no and that’s their loss.
I’m a white chickie who only dates asians and so many girls out there don’t realise what they are missing, but what can I say- More for those of us who’ve bin there and will never go back. Just have fun and don’t worry about what any 1 says as you rock. I love the fact most asian guys are confident and tough, yet also kind and sweet and sometimes shy-these are just some of the traits that attract me to them. May b the confidence thing is the type of guys I know as lots of others say asians are really shy???That has not been my experience at all. Tho tha 1′s I know are hot, buff g types!!
Hey. What a great blog. I was doing some research on the Asian male white female on the internet and came upon this blog.
I am an Asian born male but resides in Australia. Maybe I am searching at the wrong places but seriously where can I find white females who is interested in Asian male? I used the internet to communicate with females. We get along well especially during conversation and then she asked for a photo which obviously as an Asian, would give my best shot and then she never replies anymore. Not one but a few cases. Even when I get out, I don’t know where to find. I don’t fancy clubs – not into drunken girls. Past my time. I am 24 and I am looking for something stable. I would really love a good night out to a restaurant, spent some time at the park or the beach, go home and watch a good DVD. I am quite shy as well. But I have a career. The only thing missing is my other half.
I’m a Filipino living in the states. I just came across this website googling “racial relations in australia”. I feel sorry for my poor asian brothers. Yo, here in the US, I’ve always preferred caucasian girls. I used to say “White is right” or tell the girls that once “you go brown, you’ll never go white”. I have never had a problem. I’m not sure about the caucasians in Australia, but here in the US there is hardly any taboo on interracial relationships. One can argue that you might find racists here in the US, but who wants to go out with them anyway. I for one will never date a girl with only one tooth or weighing 400 pounds. I personally think that it is not whether you are Asian or not. It is how you roll brothers. If you look like a dork, with that stupid “helmet” haircut (Yes I know–I’m Asian–Remember?), I can assure you, you will never get any quality dates. And yes, I have dated a LOT of white women. ARRRRRR.
Hey guys, first off, awesome blog.
Interestingly, similar to a couple of other commenters, I also stumbled across this when looking up ‘asian male white female’. but I am the white female.
As a general rule (preference, not requirement nor guarantee) I prefer Asian men – I always have. Both personality, appearance and general way you guys carry yourselves. And I have dated a few Asian men, both Australian born and not. Above everything else, any Asian guy I have been with has been my friend first, has chosen me for more than what I look like – whereas white Aussie guys like to ‘show me off’ to their friends and don’t actually want to share interests with me. Why on earth would I want that! I am not unattractive, Aussie, fit etc but for some reason the guys who chase me are of the more wog variety, when what I really want is the cute Asian guy standing in the corner who won’t quite make eye contact to, well, make eye contact so I can work out whether there is mutual attraction. Just on a side thought, there seems to be a lot of emphasis in general that white girls don’t go after Asian guys, because of one stereotype or another, cultural preference etc etc but us girls, deep down, we are insecure. We think that Asian guys aren’t interested in white girls – I mean, we are naturally bigger (read, we think fatter), taller etc than Asian girls. Maybe it is you who doesn’t want us, we think. Seriously. That 5’8″ busty brunette in the corner, surrounded by tall wog boys, probably would love for you to come over and talk to her…
Do it! 
P.s – height is such a minor thing really – and there are plenty of shorter white girls – wearing heels hurts anyway
A great one budgie. Great to hear from a white female’s perspective. Perhaps you could email me at twiggy_demon07@hotmail.com. Cheers.
Excellent blog.Now while we are on this subject,can i just ask what do white females think about indian guyz.I was born and bred in singapore(indian by race) and came to australia with my family in 2004.Back then there were not many indians in aus.However upon completing my college,i got called back and wasted doing 2 years of my life on national service.When i returned to adelaide,i found that 1/5 of india had flocked to adelaide on student visas. Now being born and bred in Singapore,i don’t relate myself to the indian way of life and i find that i can’t get along with the indian expats,because we differ on alot of things.Right now,alot of indians in aus are at centre of racial abuse which is quite often reflected in the media.To cut the long story short,with all these going on,i kinda have this feeling that white girls don’t fancy indian guys and wouldn’t even think twice to say no to a date? I am currently doing my 3rd year in uni,and i have a massive liking for this aussie girl,but i can’t seem to find the courage to ask her out,for the fear of rejection cripples me.can some one please advise me.Thank you
Well Mathan, there are always going to be people who have certain aesthetic preferences, but regardless of that, the individual will end up coming first (if this girl is worthy anyway). Do as the guys suggest – be confident in yourself, know that you are a good catch, and treat this girl like you would a very good friend (honesty, communication, respect etc) and if she is a good catch too, she will see you for that whether she has a preference for Singapore-bred-Indians or not
Budgie,I always treat women with respect.A man who doesn’t know how to respect a woman will never get far in life.But my problem is communication.I didn’t have many female friends back in college.Use to always hang out with guyz,but i am not the nerd kind.Whenever i chat with this girl,i get really nervous,and i just find it hard to strike or let alone hold on to an intelligent conversation.I really have to find a way to overcome this problem and ask her out.
Hey Mathan, best thing i think you could do is practice starting up a convo with girls who you dont find attractive. You wont get nervous if you find them unattractive & you can gradulay move your way up. Plus you’re likely to end up making friends with some cooL girls as well (& your new female friends might even help you out with picking up). I had a sort of similar problem where i went to a girls school, no brothers, never had contact with men really, now I have guy friends & its a lot easier… Everyone gets nervous when they are really attracted to someone, watch how confident you are with girls you think are unattractive; learn & then practice how to be confident from that
Good luck
Lulu
The thread here just cracks me up! There exists a great divide between different cultures. I know for a fact that in certain Asian cultures, men and women are set-up and the romantic notion of dating is just not too popular. Hence, the perception of awkwardness in “asking out” girls. To all my Asian brothers–listen to the Nike commercial–JUST DO IT!. You only lose if you snooze. Hey, NEWSFLASH!-If you do not try to approach the girl yourself, your momma’s not gonna do it for you. Just go over and ask her “what’s up?” or the equivalent thing in Australian English. You’ve got nothing to lose. So what if you get rejected. Dating is all about the numbers. You have to play the mathematical odds. You can not work the odds if you’re not trying. Good luck to all my Asian brothers.
Hmmm, another curious, random question.
I know there are many white girls into Asians in the US but exactly how many are there in Australia? There doesn’t seem to be many at all!
Like,
Hot Aussie surfer chick + Hot Asian guy = GREAT COUPLE, haha
There are way more than you think Andrew, but in Oz, as you know, there are a lot more Asians in general than other western countries (being, you know, Australasia and all…) so, as is understandable, Asian guys tend to hang out with other Asians… which, to be honest, makes it seem as though that is who you WANT to hang out with, not us poor white girls
– and I am sure vice versa. In the end I don’t think the issue is whether white/asian find each other attractive, but rather whether one has enough confidence to approach the other. Speaking for myself, when I see a group of Asian guys hanging out, I might have a nice long look (yummmm), but my inside voice tells me that I don’t have a chance in hell because I am not Asian too… which, judging by exactly these type of blogs, is ridiculous. We all need to ignore that inner voice sometimes.
Cheers for the reply Budgie… but what you said just doesn’t seem to reflect in the real world!
If you read my post above, I’m totally against the Asian stereotype (I’m an Australian born Asian, but I’m barely Asian at all – Slim but very toned and muscular, extremely sporty, not a nerd – hate math but I’m in the top English class haha – I don’t limit myself to the Asian cuisine and hence I loveee the Western culture, mixing it with the Eastern cultures and I have quite big eyes.)
I’m constantly checked out by Asian girls (not to sound like I’m boasting) yet I don’t think I could say the same with Caucasians.
it just seems that they’re into those wogs that treat their girls like a fashion statement…
My inner voice does exactly what you said, it tells me to WALK AWAY and IGNORE those gorgeous girls and… so I do
Andrew, That’s great that you’re attractive & good at english & have big eyes lol…
Judgemental much though?
You don’t have to prove how “not asian” you are & I think that the reason you’re against the typical asian stereotype is that you appear to believe in them so much. I think if you stopped looking for ways to box other people into a stereotype they would stop doing the same to you.
Even the way you speak about the ‘typical asian stereotype’ *frinkles eyes* if you liked math would that somehow make you less worthy of a blondey?
You seem to be interested in caucasian & not asian girls – fair enough everyone has their attractions, but you refer to caucasians as “those gorgeous girls” you didnt say, for example: those girls with amazing personalities or those whitey girls with the gorgeous way of seeing the world…. But you said the wogs treat us like a fashion statement?
Whatever you look for in the world you will find it, if you behave differently around whiteys & expect them to react differently to you than an asian girl – people always reflect back to you the way you see things. I think you may feel like white girls will only see you as a typical asian stereotype, because that is how you see everyone else.
I think if you stop judging others, you will stop feeling like others are judging you.
Good luck
Lulu
Hi miss Lulu, Hi Andrew, 4 months later and we are still in the same website!!! How popular is the whole AMWF.
@ Andrew, it is actually quite common to see mix couples in the Eastern suburbs. Lots of asian doctors, designers, executive middle class people with lovely wife and kids.
About the asian stereotype, you should try to go to Asia, we are not all neerdy. Have a look on youtube at Daniel Henney & Gwyneth Paltrow in their ads for Bean Pole…
Daniel Henney is actually the perfect asian man for a lot of girls (asian, caucasians…). He is a sex-symbol in Korea.
But it is true, ABA tend to set themselves in a very conservative cliches, especially men from poor asian background…They’ve got other things to do than trying to impress white women…and they tend to pass their inferiority complex to their kids…
@ Lulu. Have you notice how women in Sydney tend to be polarised towards the typical aussie bloke stereotype? Either they look for it or reject it completely…. It’s just to prove that people are always judging, or to be more precise, evaluating each others at first sight. It is normal, we have to evaluate the dangers, the pros and cons. Asians are often stereotype to each extreme (poor students, poor immigrant or upper class who hangs out with asian leggy girls…)
I tend to believe it is not a racial issue, but more a socio-economical issue.
A well educated, respectful middle class asian would always be able to date a well educated, respectful australian woman.
Kim, I agree – I know what I am attrated to at first glance (dark guys, sharp, prominent features – basicaly very woggy wogs). I agree & this is fine, it’s a first glance attraction (& should be treated as such), no biggy though, don’t think that has anything to do with socio-economic issues – but that’s me & my experience… I had no issue with the apples of Andrew’s eyes, my issue was with the words about wogs. Im not wog – blondey – swedish background, but im not keen on dissing people because they’ve got game & you dont.
I’m not “dissing” Wogs, totally respect them and I love being around them it’s just from my view (my European mates) that they definitely have game – they’re players. It’s something that I totally disrespect even though they’re my friends. I know I’m generalising but that’s just my experience. I’m not that type of guy who would go straight up to a girl and ask her to go out with me… I find it rude IMO. I’d always start as just friends and find if we connect or such and then take it slowly from there.
Sorry if I seemed so judgmental and all and I totally understand that so many people nowadays are so materialistic, but I didn’t mean to present my views in that way. I would NOT date someone on purely their colour or overall appearance… I find that your personality inside is just as important or if not more important than your beauty outside.
@Kim, totally understand that there are maannyy Asians out there who are NOT nerdy whatsoever, I’m just stating our stereotypes. Yeah Daniel Henney is good looking, and there are lots of ‘manly’ Asians out there, for example:
They are so cute!
The asian market is a very big potential for Hollywood, and we are going to see a lot more guys like Daniel Henney on popular TV shows, as there is a market in porn now for AMWF…Don’t forget asian tend to earn a lot more money than the average immigrant in Australia. Things might change quickly for the positive, unless there’s a massive war with Asia (very unlikely).
@Miss Lulu, I am very heart broken, I thought you were into hot, shy asian guys, but you seemed to be more attracted to the Latin-lover type!!! Oh well, I thought I could have a cappuccino with you one day…poor me…
Bah Kim, that is exactly the point Lulu’s making (corrent me if I am wrong Lulu
), don’t hide away in the corner and ‘wish’ you could have coffee with her – walk up and ask her! Regardless of aesthetic type preference, she hinted that she likes guys with ‘game’ – which I will admit is actually what girls will go for, ie, charisma over aesthetics. Personally I prefer Asian features and body type (eyes, shoulder to weight ratio etc) but in saying that a guy who has confidence and self assurance to approach me will get my attention over someone who won’t.
And just quietly, shy guys, who are attracted to me enough to actually walk over and say hello, awesome!
Dear Budgie, there is a big difference between flirting and trying to have a date.
I think this is a major difference between European, Asian and people coming from Puritanical culture (UK, North America, maybe Australia).
May I suggest that actually it is harder to flirt with an aussie girl than to date her?
My own experience (I am a French Asian) is that every time I flirt for fun, aussie girls tend to think I am trying to ask them for a date, while it is just for the pleasure of being galant and enjoy a nice conversation…something quite common in Europe and Asia.
I think it is rather sad that aussie girls take the art of seduction so seriously, because I don’t mind smilling or complimenting a pretty girl in the street without any other intention…Don’t you think that Sydney would be less uptight if men and women would just smile at each other, be polite and galant rather than just pretending to be so self centered around their ego and their health?
European culture has a long tradition of flirting, you can read it in poetry and literature, in story of courtesans and handsome young men… France, Italy, Spain, Russia, Germany are known for their own art of seduction, derived from the middle age galant love.
The Puritanical culture has locked up women for a long time, creating a distorted notion of purity, putting the white woman on a pedestal or just burning the sinful whore.
The untouchable blonde Eve or the brunette witch. The choir girl or the porn star.
There are plenty of studies about this “snow white” cliche interacting with the sexual metaphores of the black man (animal, primitive, brutal and of course well endowed), the cruel asian (mean, sadistic, pervert), and the arab kidnapper (fanatic, romantic, thief). These cliches were cultural constructions to preserve the homogeneity of the community.
The problem for these preservation strategies, is that biological studies are proving that in order to survive, human tends to be attracted to people with very different genetical heritage. It is a way to preserve diversification, and send your gene in the future…
I think this is one of the reason why europeans don’t have so much difficulties to interact with other ethnic groups while Anglos have.
I mean isn’t racist to describe mix-mariage as “interacial”?
it always sounded like something taken from biology science about breeding animals…
Ladies, would you like to have a coffee with me, without thinking I am trying to date you?
Kim, Latin – no, more arab or mediterranean, but as i said that is just my first glance attraction, your reaction to that though is interesting.. a quote from a SMH article that comes to mind: “That woman was sexy ….. Out of your league? Son. Let women figure out why they won’t $crew you, don’t do it for them.” (its originally from a twitter blog shitmydadsays) a little risqué but the man makes a point.
Budgie, yes i definitely i agree – charisma over aesthetics …. and i think the words you’ve chosen are perfect
….. from what i know the etymology of charisma is a greek word meaning gift from God… as i understand the meaning is unexplained attractiveness; an allure not based on aesthetics/ speech/ logic alone… I personally believe you get charisma from choosing to have love for all people (including yourself) & when you have that – a basic love instead of fears – you become like a warm hug on a cold day = very attractive …. i have a thing for charisma
Andrew – thats cooL i get what you mean
….
though i think with players the issue is they arent honest with themselves, decide not to feel things, go against their feelings to sleep with a girl. The way i see it the issue is the dis-honesty with themselves & then with others…. If you feel something for a girl, if you’re attracted to her, if you want to speak to her, but dont because you’re shy or unsure if she’ll want to speak to you, or you convince yourself that she’s not interested etc. The issue appears in my eyes to be the same, it’s not honest. Im not trying to say you’re wrong, or they’re wrong, or that i havnt done both these things in one way or another. But just that i think the issue with both scenarios is fundamentally the same, both stem from fear & neither will be helped by disrespect.
A friend once said: when you’re shy, you miss out; I think he is wise.
And Kim, with flirting i have a similar problem, i speak & strike up convos with just about everyone i come into contact with, im friendly & interested in people, this is often taken as me wanting to funk them.. i dunno guess it gives me a good opportunity to show them another perspective
& btw thanks to everyones thoughts on all these things – very interesting – i enjoy reading the replies every day
@Kim, I agree, the AMWF relationship will be very popular in the near future, not just in Australia but around the globe (I’d say it’s already popular in the states) because they’ve decided to teach Asian languages (predominately Chinese) in primary schools across the board and thus they can grow up exploring the Asian culture and gain insight into the ‘eastern type of things’.
I’ve seen an influx of Asian themes incoporated into everyday things for example, there are more Asians on reality TV shows than there was 5 years ago. On the same note I was randomly flicking through channels and saw this show called “Ni Hao Kai-Lan” on Nickelodeon Jr and it was aimed at toddlers-young kids teaching them I think it was either Cantonese or Mandarin (I don’t know lol), again I don’t think I would’ve seen such a thing five years ago on Aussie TV, it just proves that the Asian culture is slowly becoming “accepted” and intergrated into our mainstream society and hence the rising popularity of Asian males/females.
Friggin awesome blog. I’m arab from (Egypt) and I’ve dated european girls. See I’m also attracted like you to the Anglo-looking girls, but no offense, I wouldn’t even try an aussie chick.
As you mentioned, europeans, asian, arabs all have some sort of family values, respect women values and general gentlemanly behaviour. Aussie guys/gals seem at times odd to me. I also agree that the Aussie males (that i know) will “show off” a girlfriend as a trophy rather than a person he appreciates/loves.
When it comes to asians, haven’t you realized that you hang out together, pretty much exclusively. It’s really hard to befriend someone who only wants to hang out with asians, and this is why most people have the perception that asians don’t even want to know you, because they only hang out together (that’s what comes across).
In general, the few that I have managed to half befriend have all been very well mannered and extremely courteous and polite. The Aussie chicks that I’ve seen all seem to rollout the F word constantly, are loud and pretty full on, which to me is a massive turn off.
Anyways, that was my truthful 2 cents worth
Well Med, I just came back from Hugo’s in KingsX. Had few drinks there with friends and yes, we totally agree with you, the average Aussie chick is pretty ungraceful, wearing high heels without knowing how to walk and so many other things that make them a turn off… a micro-skirt and a pair of high heels boots doesn’t transform you into an angel or a sex bomb…
But I would say, asians hanging at the Star bar are pretty awful as well…
Well I would be more cruel this time, your comment Med goes as far as work environment. Most of Aussies don’t realize but they are very rude…as rude as mainland chinese people.
That’s in a way why I like them…they are raw…
But of course there are exceptions and soon, the exception is going to become the norm…
Guyz you’ve got to be kidding me.Aussie girls are the best.Everything about them is so good,don’t know where to start.Not all of them are loud.Btw Lulu thanks for your advice.Appreciate it and I will put it to good use.I gather that you are really into mediterranean men.I have to agree with yo.I personally think that mediterranean men are the most looking ones ,most of them have got the chiselled face.Check out the pics lulu
http://celebstory.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/hrithik-roshan2.jpg
http://images.google.com.au/images?hl=en&um=1&q=hrithik+roshan&sa=N&start=40&ndsp=20
Wow this guy is the real version of Zohan!!!
What about Asian guys??? try to list some hot asian guys, you ll be surprised!!!
There are amazing aussie girls it is true, not a lot, but there are, and they really stand in very high standard.
Where abouts are you guys anyway?
At Sydney, Miranda, it’s Aussie central, and you kind of look out of place being an Asian lol, but a everyone there is good looking but they’re loud and wild
Ok ok, so many great thoughts here to reply to. I am really enjoying this blog! Thanks guys
Never be afraid to be honest with an Aussie girl, most will appreciate that more than anything else 


Firstly, Kim, I completely agree with what you are saying about Aussie (white) girls not being able to flirt. I am a perfect example of this, and without being too descriptive, I will try and explain why. I have almost black hair, am pale, blue eyes and, due to my excessive martial arts and sports, quite fit. I am however naturally very curvy in certain areas… because of my body shape, and I have been told this to my face bluntly, I look like I am ‘easy’. Now, I have spent years trying to curb my behaviour in any way possible – even to being a veritable ice queen – so that I do not present this image in any other way as it is not who I am nor who I want to be. In saying this I am also a naturally friendly person, and most of my friends are guys (being a bit of a tom boy when I was younger), but when a guy, whether I know him or not, starts to ‘flirt’, as innocent as the intention may be (and I understand where you are coming from with this) a part of me reacts and almost shuts down. I have great difficulty flirting back that is for sure. This also brings me to your point Med, I know exactly the kind of girl you mean, and there are many of us Aussie girls doing our best to change the image we have because of the actions of a very loud (swearing, modern-bogan-like) few. Yes, some of us are rude, and I for one can vouch that I have been so at times, but I wonder if it is often a wall put up in order to not appear as something else. As I think we have all alluded to, living in Oz, while fantastic, comes with it’s own difficulties. We are a young culture, and as such are still working out our identity, and at the same time trying not to take on the identity of anyone other nation. Perhaps many girls swear too much, are too loud, etc, but almost all of us, as is Australian nature, are curious, and want to learn other ways to ‘be’. I know I used to swear when I was younger (and I agree it is unattractive) in order to not appear ‘soft’. We want to be strong girls but at the same time are young and still trying to find a way to be feminine at times too.Haha, thus the walking in heels when many have not been taught how.
And Lulu – well put. I agree completely, and it is a tough thing to do, to put yourself out there when it comes to girls/guys and attraction. And it is about honesty to yourself. Another way to look at is – if you don’t try, you will never know. It is better to open yourself up, knowing you might get hurt, but experience the good and the bad things, than to not experience anything at all. Another point you made Lulu is being confident in yourself – a very attractive trait in ANY culture.
There is a saying I read once – ‘we set our own value, and we can’t expect the world to up the price’. If we have our own sense of self worth, then those who are worth being with us will notice.
Ah Mathan, sorry, my heart definitely lies with the Asian aesthetic. Those guys do not sway me. These on the other hand…
http://handson.provocateuse.com/images/photos/jason_scott_lee_01.jpg
http://i41.tinypic.com/6fxt2u.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_7Vu0WdrWjXY/RZnoNP851TI/AAAAAAAAB54/XQO6VEn8U9c/s400/asian16.jpg
Did I mention,
Also, I understand what you are saying Kim, but interracial is only a slur if taken as a negative. I think beautiful things when I hear the term used
I think something we all have trouble with is being upfront about what we want, and knowing how to ask for it. Yes, I would love to have a coffee with you, without thinking you want to date me, because you have told me exactly that. But if you hadn’t said, then I wouldn’t know what your intentions might be… but then, it is my responsibility to tell you what I want/think as well
I think this makes sense… it does in my head haha
Hm, funny how certain people like us don’t find our ‘status quo’ attractive, that is, what we would normally find attractive.
You could put me in front of a Asian model and she would not turn an eye for me UNLESS she was Eurasian/Half white half Asian:
http://www.celebs.12buzz.com/data/media/594/leah_dizon_19.jpg
Whereas an ordinary Caucasian girl would. I don’t understand myself haha.
By the way, which martial art(s) do you practice? High-five for martial arts
I agree Andrew, I think it might be an ‘attracted to opposites’ thing, or perhaps just those of us with true awesomeness see the light lol

Ah, currently wing chun, previously eskrima-kali-arnis, muay thai, punetakmen and brazilian ju jitsu
Woo! Gots me a high five
I take it you’re also a martial art freak?!
Insane.
I also train Muay Thai and BJJ along with Tae Kwon Do! What draws you into martial arts?
Friends,i’ve got another question.Coming from the asian sub continent,i consider myself as an asian,but when i tell the aussies that i’m from singapore ,they go ”i thought singapore is an asian country mate…” ,my reply would be ”yeah it is asian,i’m asian” ,and his/her reply would be ”nah u are indian mate..”.So is the word “asian” just confined to the Chinese,Koreans and Japanese or to all inhabitants of the asian subcontinent?plus budgie those pics were for lulu,i know that you into asian guyz.
Mathan, I know what you mean. People always say that (well people here in Aus at least) I always just go “mate, Indians are Asians. They certianly are not Africans, nor are they Europeans.” And they will just go”yeah….. that’s true.” So yeah. But I just say that for argument’s sake, lol. Normally when people say “Asian” they do usually mean Chinese, Koreans, Japanese etc. Middle Easterns are Asians too I’d say. but obviously people more often (or nearly always) refer them as Middle Easterns instead of Asians.
Hi,
@Alex and Mathan, India is definitely considered as Asia. Asia finishes towards the eastern part of Istanbul, when Irak/Iran begins. Central Asia for example is Pakistan, Kazakhstan, etc…
I live in the Eastern suburbs, and work between Surry Hills and Kirribilli…
@Budgie, I really understand your point of view, and I really appreciate your answer. It is very interesting and sincere. I think your armor is a very healthy and necessary thing. In some culture, even in the western one in history, men would not believe, or would not respect women. We are lucky in Australia to have a code of conduct between men and women allowing us to connect so freely, and we should keep it free and playful (very recently Turkey wanted to forbid “flirting”). I suppose it is hard for people coming from other cultures to realize how tolerant this system can be, but at the same time very demanding.
I remember that in France, middle eastern people are in the bottom list, while African and Asians are on the top list of every French women, it is sad, but it shows you how a liberal society has to deal with respect and woman’s right.
From the cultural point of view to the more personal point of view, I think every woman has to learn to protect herself emotionally with the risk of shutting herself completely.
I think a lot of Asian guys are playing very safe, not wanting to date white women because the whole confucian (from Confucius) culture is based on stability and balance in a system considered perfect and enclosed. They don’t want to clash with society and family values.
I don’t believe in this part of asian culture. I don’t think anything is permanent, which is as well an asian philosophy (buddhism).
It is really fascinating because it brings me back to Bruce Lee who used to say that we have to be like water and adapt ourselves to an always changing environment….a very wise man… and very liberal as well.
Med – i know what you mean about family values, i think that is a big part of my attraction to wogs(as in mediteranean or arab guys), im swedish/english (aka aussie) & i love my parents & my family, but theirs is not the value’s i want to bring my kids up with.
Kim – would like to understand what you mean by rude / raw
Mathan – agreed, me = quiet. And my experience of wog famililes (dated greek guy for 6 years & lebbo guy for 7 months) the girls & guys are loud; constructing new swear words is practicaly an art form, short tempers & passionate yelling are normal parts of life (something i found a bit freaky at first)… Thanks for the pic, but not attractive to me … (cant believe im telling you guys this) picture a dark, non-italian & less clean shaven version of the sopranos & you’ll understand what i am attracted to.
Budgie – i know what you mean with shutting down sometimes, i get the ‘easy’ look as well, i am also v friendly & being friendly with guys, can leave you in trouble. If they can justify things in their minds: “whats her problem now, she was acting all nice, she wants it etc”, yeah trouble…. & so true about honesty- complete honesty + kindness = the best! …. i like your saying & what you said about being open
Andrew – i live in ashbury, work in the city
Hi Miss Lulu,
Rude= acting without any class and consideration for others. Aussie have an international reputation for being unpolite, bogans, racist and only interested in Football. Compared to americans, aussie are rude.
Raw= like raw meat, fresh and in your face.
These are cliches of course.
example: Male Arabs (mainly third generation immigrant from Marocco, Algeria, Tunisia) in Europe, because of their very poor education, are perceived as very rude, loud, and disrespectful. It is commonly said that their sex life is almost empty, apart from porn They belong to the bottom of attractiveness for any European women. You would notice that no-sex+no-education brings violence and rudeness….a vicious circle…
Kim, i would appreciate very much a specific example of aussie rudeness that you have experienced, sorry if im being painful, just i want to understand, but what is rude to me, may not be rude to you.
i hear talked about a fair bit various nationalities rudeness; I have travelled in the US & AU, have family & many friends from various parts of europe, as well as close friends from the middle east. i am not aware of ‘rudeness’, i have not come accross rude people. It could have something to do with the way i see & treat people. In the arab example you say they are perceived by european women as rude, loud & disrespectiful but as far as i know you are not a european women & those are pretty subjective terms…
I know you say they are clichés, but writing about them as a general truth, particularily if they are things you have heard, not experienced, in my opinion just increases the belief in them.
Haha.I’ve got a major exam tomorrow,and here i am constantly checking on this website to look for any new replies/updates.Concentrate Mathan……Concentrate.I have to admit that its fun watching intelligent people express thier likes,dislikes,ideas, and arguements.
Miss Lulu,
You would know when people are rude:
There are many example in Sydney. Most people would not give their seats to old, pregnant people in a bus, would not apologize for being abusive in work place….and many more… Rude words like “fuck”, “bloody” are used without any consideration in phone conversation with overseas correspondents. There are many and various body language signs, and voice intonation that are considered generally offensive by asians (especially Japanese), and europeeans…
But again, most people are tolerant in Australia, and there is a kind of social harmony…I would suggest you go to Tokyo and spend time there. You would be amaze by the politeness.
Believe me, in France, Sweden, Holland, Belgium you don’t need to be a woman to know that these guys are going too far. Go to Paris, or in some suburbs where the police doesn’t go, women don’t wear skirt any more, they are too scared someone might insult them or spit on their hair if they wear too much lipstick. I have seen these kind of kids being rude so many time in Paris, spitting everywhere, insulting you for nothing. I lived in some suburbs where you would constantly have trouble, because you have white friends. Heard of skinheads? well in France, young arab immigrants hunt white girls and beat up french white guys. They call them “Jambon Beurre” (ham and butter), “Pigs”, “Boloss” etc… In Australia, you had Cronulla, in France we have the opposite, white people are just target of racism in some failed suburbs. Never heard of white french girls being gang-rapped for months? Never hear of that girl who was burnt alive in a garbage room because she would not go out with the guy?
Miss Lulu, you have to understand that I am not talking about middle eastern arabs, but about a specific type of people in Europe that are not connected to anything culturally arab, due to a failed education and too much PS3, Cable TV, MTV and Gangstarap.
As you would see the difference between here and Europe is enormous.
Here in Australia, people may be rude, but it is not due to brutality, or violence, or bad education. Australia is great, because you can dismiss racism and rudeness on cultural clashes, and communication problem. There is no racial tension like in Europe, where after 20 years of brainwashing and denial , people realize there is a racism against white people…
Never heard of white french girls being gang-rapped for months? Never hear of that girl who was burnt alive in a garbage room because she would not go out with the guy?<—–Dude,are you serious?I thought those kind of stuff only happen in Indian movies,where when the ugly guy doesn't get the beautiful girl,he throws acid on her face,or burns her alive,or gangrape,to think of it actually happening,I feel gutted.
Hey guys.
I’m the owner and administrator of this blog. While I value and enjoy your contributions, please refrain from inciting racial hatred here.
This is your only warning – any more talk of how certain cultures are rude, are rapists, thugs etc, and your comment will be deleted. You are free to make further comments, but if you continue bringing the same stuff up, I’d ban your IP address.
Alrighty, carry on!
Ok, we are loosing the plot.
The whole idea was to say that Australia is a big multicultural island-continent where you have to put up with so many different ideas of flirting and loving. It is too easy to shut ourselves and stick to our community.
Sometime what asian people perceive here as racism is minuscule compared to what is happening in Europe where racial tensions are growing, but denied, dismissed.
Read, go there, you will see by yourselves, and this is sufficient for a lot of people (white, asian, african, arab) from Europe to immigrate here in Australia, to get away from physical persecutions.
I think young asians should not assume love is given because of the color of their skin, or because of the choices their parent would do for them and this is why I think that love and friendship is not a question of race, but a question of respect, empathy and compassion, but as well of self discovery.
Great posts guys. Somewhat glad that I have a small little AM/WF community I can constantly chit-chat to haha
Mooiness, I enjoy reading your blog, specifically the AMWF related posts! How’s your ‘love life’ going if you don’t mind me asking? Found anyone you’re setting your eyes upon? So yeah, more AMWF posts please
Andrew: thanks for the compliments – glad you are finding these topics a good read. My love life is non-existent at the moment and all the nice girls I’m meeting lately are taken. But you all would know about it here if I ever get lucky.
I just have to say this is one of the only places I have seen normal conversation happening on a continued, adult level. I also love having my own little community of intelligent people to converse with
@ Kim and Lulu (and hey, everyone else too) thanks – it is nice to know that I am not completely mad for thinking half the things I do 

Thanks for getting all of us together Mooiness
Mathan – I will say, whilst I know that technically India is a part of Asia, I would say there is a distinction generally made between the two.
budgie: no worries!
Mooiness, hi, lol i never realised there must be an owner or someone who started this up, cooL blog, agree with you budgie
& Mathan know the feeling, im at work now, should maybe be working….
i understand what you’re saying Kim, but i think generalising & using the media or hearsay as a source of information is a major cause in the divide between races. Personal experience is great, it is your experience as you remember, your current interpretation of events & further background information can be sort from anyone listening to your version of events. Compare that to the news. For example the other day i picked up MX newspaper, I remember reading a report of a violent crime commited by a “man of middle eastern appearance”, I generaly avoid main stream news as a source of information (prefer first hand accounts), but even in my limited exposure to news i have seen this phrase before…. I think when the media consistantly reports on certain crimes, commited by certain people – it creates a mild panic, it gets people talking, it starts a bit of a debate happening from both sides = more people tune into news = more profits….. Im not saying that these crimes dont happen, but i believe for the moment some “news” gets higher priority & thus will appear to happen more frequently. Also not saying that media is bad or there is something wrong with trying to increase profits; just i dont believe media or hearsay should be considered a credible source of information. i tend to give little weight to information that is not first hand.
If you want people to give up their seat, give up your seat (in my experience, once you do it, everyone else will follow suit). If you want someone to apologise to you, apologise to them (i’ve noticed if you take responsibility for your part, however small, in a situation – they will take theirs). Continue to be Kind & polite when they are rude & they can learn how to be kind & polite. Oh & if you want aussie girls to talk to you, talk to them
One of my favourite stories: http://www.catholicweekly.com.au/article.php?classID=3&subclassID=9&articleID=6022&class=Features&subclass=A%20conversation%20with the irony of this being a news article is not lost on me- but it has lotsa quotes
Well, all in all really, we’re all human beings. We are the same ‘race’, but we come from all different ethnicities and every ethnicity on our planet has both ‘good’ and ‘bad’ people.
Luckily for us Aussies, we acknowledge this hence our multi-cultural nature but our concept of multiculturalism is undeveloped as we’re a VERY young country compared to the many ancient countries out there. There are flaws as of far – racism, discrimination, prejudiced people etc. but Australia is still improving as a nation.
Ironically, I’m writing this on remembrance day. Happy remembrance day everyone!
On a side note, I feel so out of spot as you all seem to be so much older than me haha
Andrew – younger, maybe, but i think ur contributions are as valid as everyone else
im 21